Stat of the Week...Top 15 in percentage of starts won since 1952 (min. 120 wins): 1. Warren Spahn 53.9%... 2. Juan Marichal 52.1%... 3. Ron Guidry 51.7%... 4. Whitey Ford 51.2%... 5. Roy Halladay 51.0%... 6. Pedro Martinez 50.9%... 7. Johan Santana 50.8%... 8. Bob Gibson 50.8%... 9. Sandy Koufax 50.6%... 10. Mike Mussina 50.4%... 11. Jim Palmer 50.3%... 12. Roger Clemens 50.1%... 13. Randy Johnson 49.9%... 14. Andy Pettitte 49.9%... 15. Jim Maloney 49.6%...
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"But If You Put Guidry In The Hall...

Posted by Gator Guy on Tuesday, June 2, 2009 , under , , , | comments (1)




...then don't you have to also induct [fill in the blank]?" I believe the name cited most frequently to fill in that blank is Dwight Gooden. It's true that the similarities between Gator and Doc are striking, so let's compare and contrast.

Any discussion of Dwight Gooden has to begin with the acknowledgment that he was the greatest pitching phenom in major league history. Only Feller comes close to Gooden's achievements before reaching the age of 21. He finished 2nd in Cy Young voting in his rookie year, shattering the record for most strikeouts per nine innings by more than two-thirds of a strikeout. He then had one of the greatest seasons ever in his sophomore year. He was Dr. K, and he was the biggest star in the game at the age of 20. There was talk that we might be witnessing the greatest pitcher in the history of the game. It didn't turn out that way.

The parallels between Guidry and Gooden are many. Both were absolute sensations in their first two full years; no pitcher has ever had a better two-year start than Guidry and Gooden. Each produced one of the greatest pitching seasons in history in his second year, winning the Cy Young Award unanimously. Neither again achieved the dominance he displayed in his second season, but each nonetheless proceeded to compile by far the highest winning percentage of any starting pitcher in his league over the next seven seasons. Each was a figurative runaway freight train down the stretch in pennant races in their first two full seasons. Each maintained a winning percentage over the first 200 decisions of his career approaching .700.

The similarities don't stop there.

A year-by-year approach I believe is a simple way to compare careers in more detail and depth than merely examining career totals. The following Guidry v. Gooden demonstration reveals striking similarities in the arcs of their respective careers.



















Again, the similarity in their careers is striking. There's not much to choose from in a comparison of their first four full seasons. And the statistical similarity continued for the balance of the respective productive careers. The following are Guidry's career totals and Gooden's totals through 1996 (the last season Gooden would pitch enough innings to qualify for the ERA title):






Almost identical, save for a meaningful, but not huge, edge for Guidry in the ERA+ number. Here's the difference, however. After Dwight's first four seasons he never really put together a season that clearly qualified him as one of the premier pitchers in his league. Despite putting up consistently good winning percentages for good Met teams, Gooden's ERAs and other statistical achievements were notably mediocre. Consider the following:


1. Gooden didn't lead the N.L. in a single major pitching category after his historic 1985 season. He didn't add a single point to his "Black Ink" total.

Guidry, by contrast, led the A.L. in major pitching categories numerous times after his great '78 season - ERA in 1979, WHIP in '81, complete games in '83, wins and winning percentage in '85, and fewest BB/IP in '86. Guidry added 15 Black Ink points after his '78 season - more than half his career total - and passed Gooden, 29 to 23.

2. After Gooden's first four seasons, he went five consecutive years in which he did not have a season with double-digit wins and an ERA+ greater than 102. During that stretch, his best ERA+ was 113 in 1989, but injuries limited Gooden to 9 wins and 118 IP. He won 19 and 18 games in '90 and '88, respectively, but had ERA+'s of only 102 and 98. Gooden would have only one more season in which he'd win more than 10 games and have an ERA+ greater than 102 - he had a 117 ERA+ in 1993 while struggling to a 12-15 record with a Mets team in decline.

Guidry, by contrast, added three more seasons over the latter half of his productive career in which he had both impressive win totals and an ERA+ significantly better than the average: '81, '83 and '85. He had two more 20 win seasons and two more seasons in which his ERA+ was at least 20% better than league average.

3. Gooden received only incidental consideration for the Cy Young Award after '85. Gooden finished 4th in '90, 5th in '87 and 7th in '86, and had only a .18 CY award vote share.

Guidry compiled a .87 CY award vote share after '78, finishing 2nd in '85, 3rd in '79, 5th in '83 and 7th in '81.

The simple fact is that Doc was never really a premier pitcher in the NL after his first three years. And as great as those three years were, three great years have never put anyone in the HOF. Guidry's first three years were also monumental, but he added three more years in '81, '83 and '85 when he was unquestionably one of the top pitchers in the AL, and was the lefthanded starter on the Sporting News annual all-star teams.

Throw in the big disparity in post-season performances and Guidry's edge over Gooden becomes decisive.

Quite simply, you can put Guidry in the Hall and leave Doc out, and no one could complain too much about Doc being done an injustice.

Pick Five

Posted by Gator Guy on Sunday, May 31, 2009 , under | comments (0)



Here are the averages of the best five seasons of various great pitchers. Each of the anonymous pitchers are already in the Hall or, if I don't miss my guess, will be. See if you can determine who they are based on their wins, losses, winning percentage and ERAs. The ERA figures in the following table are the product of their ERA+ and an assumed league average ERA of 4.00.

The identities of our hurlers are on the next page. Here are some hints: all had fewer wins than Blyleven, Kaat and John, and all were most certainly inducted (or, if not yet inducted, will be) on the strength of their amazing peak seasons rather than their accumulation of gaudy career totals. Here's one more hint: I'm not comparing Guidry to Blyleven, Morris or Sutton this time; the comparison is to many of the greatest pitchers of all time. All but one are Hall of Famers. The one non-HOFer is not yet eligible for the HOF ballot but is generally considered a very good bet to make the Hall.

Here are the identities of these pitching greats:

I included a "Guidry A" and "Guidry B" ("Guidry A" corresponding to "Pitcher G" in the first table) because Guidry, uniquely among these pitchers, had one of his better seasons interrupted by labor strife in baseball. "Guidry A" includes the strike-shortened '81 season; "Guidry B" substitutes his '83 season (21-9, 113 ERA+) for the '81 season. After a slow start in '81 (2-2, 4.30 ERA in his first five starts) Guidry was 9-3 with a 2.30 ERA over the last sixteen starts of the season. The strike, however, wiped out nearly ten weeks of the season from early June to early August, costing Guidry about 12 starts. Guidry gave every indication that he was accelerating toward a big season, and ended the season leading the AL in WH/IP and strikeout-to-walk ratio, and finished in the top five in the league in strikeouts per inning, fewest hits per inning and fewest walks per inning.

Guidry's best five seasons (using either the '81 or '83 season as the fifth) compare favorably with the best five seasons of these other great pitchers. Koufax's ERA and winning percentage obviously stand out. Feller and Hubbell were each very big winners, averaging 23 and 24.4 wins respectively in their best years (Koufax would have averaged more wins per year had he not missed two months of the '62 season and the last six weeks of the '64 season). Gomez's best five seasons include two pitching triple crown seasons, but Guidry's numbers still compare quite well. Hubbell's best five include three ERA titles, but Guidry's ERA, particularly if one includes the '81 season, is virtually the same as Hubbell's.

Just to give some sense of how spectacular the peak seasons of these pitchers are, there are seven pitching triple crown seasons among them - three for Koufax, two for Gomez and one each for Hubbell and Feller. Each of the pitchers listed averaged a 140 or better ERA+ over their best five seasons, with Koufax leading the way with a 167 ERA+ (Gibson was second in this group with a 152 ERA+). The lowest winning percentage in the group was Gibson's .667; Koufax and Guidry both maintained an incredible winning percentage over .750 over their five best seasons.

There were a few small surprises for me in these numbers and one big one. The small surprises included Schilling's excellent winning percentage (.731) and Feller's excellent ERA (I was, for some reason, unaware of how good Feller's ERA+'s were in his prime years). The big surprise was that Guidry won a higher percentage of his starts in his best five than Koufax; Guidry won an astounding 64% of his starts to Koufax's 63%.

The Greatest Southpaws In American League History

Posted by Gator Guy on Friday, May 29, 2009 , under | comments (0)













I suggested in this post that Ron Guidry may be the fourth greatest lefthander in the modern (i.e., post-1920) history of the American League, behind only Grove, Ford and Gomez. The more I look at it, the clearer the case becomes. The only other lefthander who might conceivably crack the top four is Randy Johnson, whose AL statistics are remarkably close to Guidry's. Let's look at the Guidry/Johnson comparison, and rank the top 10 southpaws in modern AL history.

In ten seasons with the Mariners and two with the Yankees Johnson compiled a 164-93 record, .638 winning percentage, and a 3.60 ERA (a 122 ERA+). He spent his first four seasons with the Mariners learning his craft and struggling to assert control and mastery over his outrageous stuff, a high '90s fastball and wickedly biting slider. He blossomed in 1993 and by 1995 was clearly the best pitcher in the AL, posting an 18-2 record in the strike-shortened season and winning the Cy Young Award (taking 26 of 28 first place votes). He missed almost the entire 1996 season with arm troubles but rebounded in 1997 with a 20-4 record and 2.28 ERA. Only Roger Clemens' triple crown season prevented Johnson from winning a second Cy Young Award. Johnson's impending free-agency and negotiations with the Mariners seemingly distracted Johnson in 1998 and he struggled to a 9-10 with Seattle before being traded to the D'backs and completely dominating the NL over the last two months of the season. He returned to the AL in 2005 at the age of 41 and spent two seasons with the Yankees, going 34-19 with very mediocre ERAs.

Johnson's AL record is almost identical to Guidry's - six fewer wins than Guidry and two more losses - for a .638 winning percentage that ranks behind only Ford, Grove, Guidry, Gomez and Pettitte since the inception of the AL in 1901. His dominance of the AL for four full seasons between '93 and '97 (a five year stretch that includes Johnson's very abbreviated season in '96) closely mirrors Guidry's domination of the AL for the three period between '77 and '79: Johnson was 75-20 (.789 win%) with a 162 ERA+; Guidry was 59-18 (.766 win%) with a 161 ERA+. Johnson won one Cy Young Award and had two second place finishes and one third, as compared to Guidry's first, third and seventh place finishes between '77 and '79.

Johnson's period of dominance in the AL was slightly longer than Guidry's, and that's a plus for Randy. But Randy's AL career was rather shallow aside from those four seasons, and none of his other AL seasons placed him among the AL's premier pitchers. Johnson played nine full seasons in the AL ('89, '96 and '98 were all partial seasons due to either trades or injury) and the four seasons I've mentioned were the only ones in which he received Cy Young consideration. Guidry had six seasons over a nine-year stretch in which he received CY consideration and his career in the AL is accordingly a little deeper than Johnson's.

What really tilts the decision in favor of Guidry are the post-season and pennant race performances. Johnson participated in three tight divisional races in the AL (with Seattle in '95 and '97 and the Yanks in '05) and was outstanding in all three, going a combined 12-0 in 15 starts with a 2.04 ERA, but his 5-0 September record in '95 was the only one in which his impact on the race approached Guidry's '77, '78 and '85 seasons, in which Guidry led two spectacular Yankees comebacks and one aborted comeback. In '97 Johnson made only three September starts in the Mariner's division title push. Although his victory over the Red Sox on the 2nd to last day of the 2005 season clinched the division title and a playoff spot for the Yankees, his 4 victories in six starts were less significant than Aaron Small's five wins in five starts, which included four straight wins in the first 20 days of September while Johnson was logging two no-decisions in three starts. It was Small's four straight wins while the Yanks overcame a four game deficit in early/mid September that keyed the Yanks' comeback.

Guidry's biggest edge is in the October performances. Johnson won his first post-season start in '95 and picked up another win in relief to clinch Seattle's series win over the Yankees in the ALDS. After that he made six starts in AL post-season competition and went 0-4 with a 5.35 ERA. He pitched well in a relief stint for the Yanks in the last game of the 2005 ALDS, but his failures in his six starts contributed significantly to four series losses by the Mariners and Yankees.

Altogether Johnson was 14-4 in 22 starts in AL pennant races and post-seasons, posting a 2.80 ERA in 157.1 innings. As I've noted, Guidry was an astounding 31-6 in 40 starts in pennant races and the post-season with a 2.74 ERA. Guidry's outstanding 3-1 record and 1.69 ERA in the World Series further cement his edge.

Johnson's amazing NL record vaults him to the top of the ranks of major league lefthanders, behind only Grove in my estimation. His .655 winning percentage in the NL equals Koufax's, and his amazing 158 ERA+ in the NL is probably enough to make him the greatest NL lefthander of all-time, a nose ahead of Sandy. Johnson is plainly the superior pitcher in any comparison of Johnson's career vs. Guidry's, but based purely on their AL records Guidry narrowly wins and places fourth on my list of modern era (i.e., post-1920) AL lefties.

Santana obviously had the potential to move ahead of Guidry among AL lefthanders, and he still might if he ever returns to the AL, but his 93-44 record in the AL and only four full seasons as a starter don't provide enough data. Newhouser might have challenged Guidry's standing, but the fact that two of his three dominant years occurred during the war years hurts his case. Plank and Waddell were great in the pre-1920 era, the best of their time, but it's virtually impossible to make valid comparisons with post-1920 pitchers because of the vastly different nature of the game in the early part of the century.

My top ten modern era AL lefties are, in order, Grove, Ford, Gomez (by a nose over Guidry), Guidry, Santana, Pennock, Pettitte, Newhouser, Kaat and Lopat. Jimmy Key, Billy Pierce and Tommy John narrowly miss the cut. Mark Buehrle and C.C. Sabathia can enter into the discussion with three or four more good years.

It somehow strikes my as very odd that the fourth (or even the fifth or sixth) greatest leftie in modern AL history could be rejected by the Hall of Fame. Veterans Committee, are you listening?

Did You Know That Ron Guidry...

Posted by Gator Guy on Thursday, May 28, 2009 , under | comments (0)



...is the only pitcher to have won a Cy Young and received CY votes in five other seasons and be rejected by the Hall?

There have been twelve pitchers to do this and other than Ron Guidry each is already in the Hall or, barring unforeseen circumstances, will be a first ballot HOFer. The twelve are Tom Seaver, Jim Palmer, Ferguson Jenkins, Steve Carlton, Ron Guidry, Dennis Eckersley, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine and Johan Santana.


There are three more pitchers who received CY votes in six or more years but never won a Cy Young Award: Mike Mussina (nine years), Nolan Ryan (eight) and Jack Morris (seven). Ryan's already in, Morris is knockin' on the door, and Mussina's candidacy is certain to be stronger than Morris'.

That makes 15 pitchers who have received Cy Young support in six different seasons, and every one received (or will receive) more than 40% support for the Hall of Fame, except one. You know his name. I'll remind you that he never even received 9% of the vote.

Incomprehensible. Really, just inexplicable.

P.S. Another interesting Cy Young fact: Guidry's six seasons in which he received CY votes happened within a nine year span. Randy Johnson took only eight years to accumulate six such seasons. Carlton, Glavine, Jenkins, Eckersley, Ryan and Morris each took more than nine years to accomplish the feat.

How Long Does a Hall of Fame Career Have To Be?

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How many wins must a Hall of Fame pitcher have? How many innings are enough, and how many not enough?

The most frequently cited criticisms of Guidry's HOF qualifications are "not enough wins" and "he didn't do it long enough." Most agree that in Guidry's case the quality was there, it's just a matter of quantity. It's certainly true that the duration of Guidry's career, and his number of wins and innings, would place him on the low end of the HOF pitching roster, but does he really fail to meet some informal minimum for the Hall?

It seems this debate always veers to a discussion of Koufax and Dean (who had 165 and 150 wins, respectively) and a discussion of an apparent exception for great pitchers who careers were prematurely ended by injury. But there are also six 20th century starting pitchers in the Hall with fewer than 200 wins who are not named Koufax or Dean and don't qualify for the prematurely-ended-career exception, and thirteen who won fewer than 220 games. Each of these pitchers pitched in times when 4-man rotations were the rule, complete games the expectation, and 20 wins and 280 to 300 innings common for elite pitchers.

Here's the question for the BBWAA and the Veterans Committee: if the five Hall of Famers pictured above (left to right, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Bob Lemon, Don Drysdale and Happy Jack Chesbro) are Hall worthy despite win totals ranging from 184 to 209, are 170 wins too few for the Hall if attained in the age of five-man rotations and seven-inning starts?

Let's look at some other HOF pitchers with short careers.


















A distinguished group, to be sure. Every era is represented, with pitchers who pitched primarily in each of the decades of the 20th century from the first decade through the 1970's. In every decade there has been at least one pitcher whose career length, wins and innings are notably low, and whose peak career was relatively brief. Let's sharpen the focus to the period from 1920 to 1970 and look at five pitchers: Dazzy Vance, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Bob Lemon and Don Drysdale.

The average career win total for this group is 202. The average innings pitched is approximately 2950. The average number of starts is approx. 371. Guidry, with 170 wins, 2392 innings and 323 starts, is short in each category. Guidry's totals are actually fairly close to those of Gomez and Vance, each of whom frequently pitched in a five man rotation. Newhouser, Lemon and Drysdale each pitched almost exclusively in four-man rotations in their prime and averaged over 280 innings per year during their peak years.

Guidry, however, like all future Hall of Fame candidates, pitched exlusively in a five-man rotation, his career coinciding with an era in which the five-man rotation became the rule rather than the exception. As I've discussed in a previous post, the impact of this on the statistics of future Hall of Fame candidates will be profound. The five-man rotation reduces the average number of starts by elite pitchers by about 15%, and the 5-man rotation together with shorter starts and more prominent bullpen roles reduce wins and innings by approximately 20%. It is a simple fact that Pedro Martinez's 214 wins will be nearer the median for HOF candidates in the future, and Mike Mussina's 270 wins near the very high end.

If Guidry's totals are adjusted for the impact of the 5-man rotation (which has reduced wins, innings and starts by approximately 15% for front of the rotation pitchers), his win total is approximately 200, his innings pitched 2870 and his starts 371, each remarkably close to the average of our five Hall of Famers.*

The fact is that the very productive portion of his career was essentially as long as those of our five Hall of Famers. Our average Hall of Famer had 11 seasons in which he pitched enough innings to qualify for the ERA title, with each of Lemon and Gomez having 10 such seaons - the same number as Ron Guidry. He averaged more wins per season during such years than Drysdale and virtually the same number as Vance, despite making substantially fewer starts than either. If Guidry's wins are increased by 15% to account for the impact of the 5-man rotation, he averaged nearly as many wins per season as Bob Lemon.

These Hall of Fame pitchers won more games than Guidry not because their careers were longer, but because they either pitched primarily in a four-man rotation or in an era when starting pitchers frequently picked up a few wins a year in relief (Gomez, Newhouser and Lemon benefited from these "easy" wins). It is simply not a valid argument that Guidry did not have a long enough career or win enough games, because the length of his productive career was virtually the same as our five Hall of Famers and his win total, when adjusted for the impact of the 5-man rotation, was also virtually the same. And there are four more 20th century pitchers in the Hall - Walsh, Waddell, Chesbro and Marquard - whose careers were no longer than Guidry's and whose win totals are no more impressive when controlled for the impact of the shift from 4-man to 5-man rotations.

The Hall of Fame voters will simply have to acknowledge the impact of modern pitching practices on the career statistics of future candidates. The crop of recently retired or soon to retire pitchers who started their careers in the '80's won't force this acknowledgment because they all had extraordinarily long careers and consequently huge win totals - Maddux, Clemens, Glavine and Johnson. But there are pitchers whose candidacies are on the near horizon - Mussina, Schilling and Brown, for example - who will force HOF voters to closely examine these issues. And it is all but inevitable that in the slightly more distant future there will be pitchers who, like Guidry, win about 170 games over a productive career of ten to twelve years and yet are manifestly Hall worthy; just think of Halladay, Oswalt or Santana, if for some reason they only have three or four more productive seasons. Or think Josh Beckett if he manages to put together four or five more seasons of 15 to 20 wins and grab some more World Series glory. Just think Brandon Webb if he puts together five more top flight seasons and wins another Cy Young or two. What if, like Guidry, each of these pitchers remains one of the top pitchers in their league right up to the moment they hit the 170 or 180 win mark, and then their career ends?

I believe the Hall will soon have to acknowledge that Mussina's 270 wins are the equivalent of the win totals posted by Early Wynn and Lefty Grove. I similarly believe the Hall will have to acknowledge that Ron Guidry might have had five or six 20 win seasons but for the impact of the 5-man rotation and a strike-shortened season, and most certainly would have won approximately as many games as Gomez, Vance, Newhouser, Lemon and Drysdale.

In short, I hope the Veterans Committee recognizes a few things the BBWAA apparently failed to recognize: Ron Guidry was the best big game pitcher of his time, the best pitcher in the American League after Palmer's prime and before Clemens', and his career was as long and productive as at least ten pitchers who are in the Hall. These are all incontrovertible statements of fact, and all strongly argue for Ron Guidry's induction into the Hall of Fame.
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* I arrived at Guidry's win total by multiplying it by 1.15 and adding an additional 5.5 wins for the strike-shortened '81 season. I also multiplied Guidry's innings and starts by 1.15 although the impact of 5-man rotations and increased bullpen utilization has been to decrease each by approximately 20%. I did this both to be conservative in adjusting Guidry's stats and also because the trend toward increased bullpen utilization, though it began during Guidry's career, increased significantly after Guidry's productive career ended in 1986.

Guidry v. Schilling

Posted by Gator Guy on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 , under | comments (0)



I'm ambivalent about Schilling's qualifications for the Hall, but let's face it - he's going in. His big game reputation and outstanding post-season record will put him over the top.

Schilling Shills generally acknowledge that his record is very erratic, his inconsistency and periodic arm issues resulting in numerous single-digit win totals and poor winning percentages throughout his career. The Shills fairly argue, however, that Schilling's peak years were excellent and deserving of HOF induction. Let's compare Schilling's peak years to Guidry's, doing a year-by-year comparison.

The following table lists Schilling's and Guidry's peak years in descending order of wins.
















I've inserted a "G" or "S" in the middle column to indicate which pitcher, in my opinion, had the superior year. Here's my reasoning for each year.

Year One, Guidry's '78 v. Schilling's '02. Amazing year for both. A clear and significant edge for Guidry, however, on the basis of his historic record and ERA, the amazing September and post-season performance, and the fact that Guidry's season was the key to the Yanks' comeback, the biggest in AL history.

Year Two, Guidry's '85 v. Schilling's '01. The same record for each, but Schilling's great October and excellent ERA give him the decision.

Year Three, Guidry's '83 v. Schilling's '04. Another win for Schilling. Better record, better ERA, plus a good October for Curt.

Year Four, Guidry's '79 v. Schilling's '97. Similar records and ERA+'s, but slight edges to Guidry in each case. Also, Guidry won the ERA title.

Year Five, Guidry's '80 v. Schilling's '93: Good records but mediocre ERAs for each. I thought about giving the nod to Schilling on the basis of his good Sept/Oct for the Phils. Guidry also had a good September, however, and has the superior ERA+, so he gets the edge.

Year Six, Guidry's '77 v. Schilling's 2006. Similar records, but Guidry's superior ERA+ and tremendous Sept/Oct performance during the Yanks' championship season give Guidry the clear win.

Year Seven, Guidry's '82 v. Schilling's '99. Schilling has the superior record and ERA, so a clear win for Curt.

Year Eight, Guidry's '81 v. Schilling's '98: An odd comparison because Guidry's season is the strike-shortened '81 season. Schilling has a very slight edge in ERA+, but Guidry's clearly superior record, selection as Sporting News' lefthanded starter for the A.L. and impressive World Series performance gives him the clear edge.

Year Nine, Guidry's '84 v. Schilling's '92: Easy win for Curt; Guidry's only season where arm injury was a significant factor.

Year Ten: Slight edge for Schilling, but this season and all other seasons for each not reflected in this table don't really qualify as "peak seasons."

It's split, five seasons for each, but Guidry takes four of the top six. The point here, however, is not to make some fine distinction between Schilling and Guidry, but to demonstrate how close the two are. The "big game" comparison doesn't really resolve anything, either: both have very similar World Series records, Schilling has the overall post-season edge, but Guidry has a huge edge over Schilling in pennant race performances.

I would ask all the BBWAA voters who will vote for Schilling to explain how the BBWAA as a group could find no more than about 9% of the vote for Guidry. Isn't it apparent that over their peak years they were very similar? Isn't it also apparent that Schilling's "non-peak" years (more numerous than Guidry's, who played only a few years after his peak ended) are not a plus in his HOF resume? Here they are:
















This number of mediocre records and short seasons are actually a negative, from my point of view, and when the BBWAA considered Bret Saberhagen for the Hall they apparently felt the same way - good pitcher, too many poor or abbreviated seasons.

Guidry has the edge over Schilling in my book because he was a more consistent winner, had the distinctly superior record down the stretch in pennant races, and never stumbled in a pennant race. Schilling was great in October, but uneven in September, and he played a significant role in tanking the D'backs shot at one division title and almost losing another.

I don't know if Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame, but I'm pretty damn sure he's going in. I'm also sure of one other thing: if Schilling goes into the Hall, Guidry belongs there, too.

A Note About Catfish Hunter

Posted by Gator Guy on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 , under , | comments (0)



Online commenters and kibbitzers tend to disparage Catfish Hunter's HOF qualifications - only 224 wins, an elite pitcher for only a six or seven year span, rather pedestrian ERAs, and, they argue, a big winner only because he played for great teams that gave him excellent run support.

These observations from Catfish's critics may have some merit, but they don't detract from the following consideration. Catfish Hunter made 34 starts for the A's in Sept/Oct of '72, '73 and '74. Almost all of them were big starts because the A's won the AL West by narrow margins each year, clinching only in the last week of each season. His record in these 34 starts was 20-5 with a 2.38 ERA in 246 innings pitched. He was the unquestioned ace of the only non-Yankee team to win three consecutive World Series, and he went 7-1 in the six post-season series the A's played on their way to those three world championships.

The BBWAA obviously thinks that carries a lot of weight. I do, too. I should point out that the same community of online commenters who question Hunter's HOF bona fides generally seems to attach great weight to Curt Schilling's post-season record and reputation as a big game pitcher.

20-5, 2.38 ERA in 246 of the biggest innings in his career and in the history of the Oakland A's franchise. That positively shouts "Hall of Fame" to me. It's enough to put a five time 20-game winner with a Cy Young award and five world championship rings over the top and into the Hall.

More September Big Game Records

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It occurred to me that I've somehow omitted any discussion of Blyleven's pennant race performances.

Bert participated in seven tight division races - '70, '77-80, '87 and '89 (again, I've defined a tight division race as one in which the race was within five games at some point in September prior to elimination or clinching, and the pitcher made at least one September start when the race was within five games). Bert's teams won two world championships, three division titles and had an average winning percentage of .562 (equivalent to 91 wins in a 162 game season). In other words, these were good teams, and yet Bert's September records in these races were as strikingly mediocre as the rest of his regular season performances for these teams. Bert made 40 starts in these seven races and had a 13-14 record and 3.04 ERA in 278 innings pitched.

It's the same ol' Bert story: decent ERA but a relatively low win total and winning percentage despite pitching for good teams. Bert didn't win as many as three games in any September until his last one in '89. The fact is that Bert played in seven tight divisional races and didn't have a significant impact on any of them. Three times Bert made six or more starts in September and won only two games. Twice he made five or more starts and won only one game. Even Jack Morris, for all his September troubles, had two Septembers in which he won four games.

The Bert Backers would no doubt remind us that Bert had an excellent post-season record. He absolutely did, but as is the case for many other pitchers, the post-season sample size for Bert is rather small - six decisions and 47.1 IP. In any event, Bert's October record can't obscure the fact that he was perfectly mediocre across 40 starts in seven years in which his teams played very important games in September.

I haven't checked Jim Kaat's pennant race records, but I happened to stumble across an account of Kaat's amazing performance in the great '67 AL pennant race in which he was 7-0 with a 1.51 ERA.

It seems as if every pitching candidate for the Hall of Fame managed to have at least one September where he made his presence felt in a pennant race. Every candidate other than Bert Blyleven, that is.

The Thin Man

Posted by Gator Guy on Monday, May 25, 2009 , under | comments (0)



The following is the opening paragraph from an article on Guidry in Sports Illustrated's September 19, 1977 edition entitled "Getting Fat With The Thin Man," a reference to the slender Louisianan's emergence as the Yankee ace as the team surged past the Red Sox and Orioles to win the AL East title.

"From Aug. 7 through the end of last week, the Yankees won 28 of 34 games and moved from third place, five games out, to two ahead in the American League East...And when a team goes on a tear, there invariably is a starting pitcher high on the list of streakers. Because the Yanks' staff is loaded with the likes of World Series heroes Catfish Hunter, Don Gullett and Ken Holtzman, it is hardly surprising that New York found a hot arm. The astounding thing is that the limb is attached to the left shoulder of Ron Guidry, a pitcher whose reputation had been as puny as his 5'11", 158-pound body."
Guidry's epic performance during the '78 pennant - the win in the one-game playoff at Fenway, the back-to-back two-hit shutouts of the Sox in September - didn't come as a surprise in Yankee fans. In fact, it seemed very familiar, because Guidry had been almost as dominant during the Yanks' 41-13 charge down the stretch in '77. It's likely Guidry's '77 performance would occupy a more significant place in baseball lore but for the shadow cast by the legendary '78 season.

The Yankees lost four of their first five games in August '77 to drop five games behind the Red Sox and 2.5 games behind the Orioles. Don Gullet, the Yanks' prize free-agent signing of '77, was on the disabled list. Catfish Hunter, Mike Torrez and Ed Figueroa, the mainstays of the Yanks' staff in '76, were collectively 26-25. And Ron Guidry, a relief pitcher plucked from the bullpen by Billy Martin in mid-May to bolster the stumbling starting staff, had a decent if unspectacular record of 8-6 and a 3.25 ERA.

Torrez pitched a six-hitter on August 7th to break a three-game Yankee skid and begin a streak of 24 wins in 27 games that vaulted the Yankees past the Red Sox and Orioles into first place in the AL East. The Yankees remained hot the rest of the season, ultimately winning 41 of their last 54 games, equalling the '51 Giants' 54 game dash to the NL pennant in the Miracle of Coogan's Bluff. As Sports Illustrated noted, the Yankees' ace down the stretch was, improbably, the slightly built Louisianan who'd pitched only 54 innings in the major leagues before joining the Yankees starting staff.

Guidry went 8-1 with a 2.16 ERA during the Yankees' finishing kick, including a complete game, five hit victory over the Red Sox on September 13th that boosted the Yanks' lead to 2.5 games. He won seven consecutive starts between August 21 and September 25, pitching five complete games, three shutouts, and compiling a 1.02 ERA over 61.2 innings. His record in six September starts was 5-1 with a 1.89 ERA.

Guidry added a victory over the Royals in the ALCS and a complete game, four-hit victory over the Dodgers in game four of the World Series to put the Yankees one win away from the world championship. In acknowledgment of Guidry's performance during the Yanks' stretch drive, MVP balloters gave him more votes than any other starting pitcher in the AL.