Stat of the Week...Top 15 in percentage of starts won since 1952 (min. 120 wins): 1. Warren Spahn 53.9%... 2. Juan Marichal 52.1%... 3. Ron Guidry 51.7%... 4. Whitey Ford 51.2%... 5. Roy Halladay 51.0%... 6. Pedro Martinez 50.9%... 7. Johan Santana 50.8%... 8. Bob Gibson 50.8%... 9. Sandy Koufax 50.6%... 10. Mike Mussina 50.4%... 11. Jim Palmer 50.3%... 12. Roger Clemens 50.1%... 13. Randy Johnson 49.9%... 14. Andy Pettitte 49.9%... 15. Jim Maloney 49.6%...
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"But If You Put Guidry In The Hall...

Posted by Gator Guy on Tuesday, June 2, 2009 , under , , , | comments (1)




...then don't you have to also induct [fill in the blank]?" I believe the name cited most frequently to fill in that blank is Dwight Gooden. It's true that the similarities between Gator and Doc are striking, so let's compare and contrast.

Any discussion of Dwight Gooden has to begin with the acknowledgment that he was the greatest pitching phenom in major league history. Only Feller comes close to Gooden's achievements before reaching the age of 21. He finished 2nd in Cy Young voting in his rookie year, shattering the record for most strikeouts per nine innings by more than two-thirds of a strikeout. He then had one of the greatest seasons ever in his sophomore year. He was Dr. K, and he was the biggest star in the game at the age of 20. There was talk that we might be witnessing the greatest pitcher in the history of the game. It didn't turn out that way.

The parallels between Guidry and Gooden are many. Both were absolute sensations in their first two full years; no pitcher has ever had a better two-year start than Guidry and Gooden. Each produced one of the greatest pitching seasons in history in his second year, winning the Cy Young Award unanimously. Neither again achieved the dominance he displayed in his second season, but each nonetheless proceeded to compile by far the highest winning percentage of any starting pitcher in his league over the next seven seasons. Each was a figurative runaway freight train down the stretch in pennant races in their first two full seasons. Each maintained a winning percentage over the first 200 decisions of his career approaching .700.

The similarities don't stop there.

A year-by-year approach I believe is a simple way to compare careers in more detail and depth than merely examining career totals. The following Guidry v. Gooden demonstration reveals striking similarities in the arcs of their respective careers.



















Again, the similarity in their careers is striking. There's not much to choose from in a comparison of their first four full seasons. And the statistical similarity continued for the balance of the respective productive careers. The following are Guidry's career totals and Gooden's totals through 1996 (the last season Gooden would pitch enough innings to qualify for the ERA title):






Almost identical, save for a meaningful, but not huge, edge for Guidry in the ERA+ number. Here's the difference, however. After Dwight's first four seasons he never really put together a season that clearly qualified him as one of the premier pitchers in his league. Despite putting up consistently good winning percentages for good Met teams, Gooden's ERAs and other statistical achievements were notably mediocre. Consider the following:


1. Gooden didn't lead the N.L. in a single major pitching category after his historic 1985 season. He didn't add a single point to his "Black Ink" total.

Guidry, by contrast, led the A.L. in major pitching categories numerous times after his great '78 season - ERA in 1979, WHIP in '81, complete games in '83, wins and winning percentage in '85, and fewest BB/IP in '86. Guidry added 15 Black Ink points after his '78 season - more than half his career total - and passed Gooden, 29 to 23.

2. After Gooden's first four seasons, he went five consecutive years in which he did not have a season with double-digit wins and an ERA+ greater than 102. During that stretch, his best ERA+ was 113 in 1989, but injuries limited Gooden to 9 wins and 118 IP. He won 19 and 18 games in '90 and '88, respectively, but had ERA+'s of only 102 and 98. Gooden would have only one more season in which he'd win more than 10 games and have an ERA+ greater than 102 - he had a 117 ERA+ in 1993 while struggling to a 12-15 record with a Mets team in decline.

Guidry, by contrast, added three more seasons over the latter half of his productive career in which he had both impressive win totals and an ERA+ significantly better than the average: '81, '83 and '85. He had two more 20 win seasons and two more seasons in which his ERA+ was at least 20% better than league average.

3. Gooden received only incidental consideration for the Cy Young Award after '85. Gooden finished 4th in '90, 5th in '87 and 7th in '86, and had only a .18 CY award vote share.

Guidry compiled a .87 CY award vote share after '78, finishing 2nd in '85, 3rd in '79, 5th in '83 and 7th in '81.

The simple fact is that Doc was never really a premier pitcher in the NL after his first three years. And as great as those three years were, three great years have never put anyone in the HOF. Guidry's first three years were also monumental, but he added three more years in '81, '83 and '85 when he was unquestionably one of the top pitchers in the AL, and was the lefthanded starter on the Sporting News annual all-star teams.

Throw in the big disparity in post-season performances and Guidry's edge over Gooden becomes decisive.

Quite simply, you can put Guidry in the Hall and leave Doc out, and no one could complain too much about Doc being done an injustice.

Pick Five

Posted by Gator Guy on Sunday, May 31, 2009 , under | comments (0)



Here are the averages of the best five seasons of various great pitchers. Each of the anonymous pitchers are already in the Hall or, if I don't miss my guess, will be. See if you can determine who they are based on their wins, losses, winning percentage and ERAs. The ERA figures in the following table are the product of their ERA+ and an assumed league average ERA of 4.00.

The identities of our hurlers are on the next page. Here are some hints: all had fewer wins than Blyleven, Kaat and John, and all were most certainly inducted (or, if not yet inducted, will be) on the strength of their amazing peak seasons rather than their accumulation of gaudy career totals. Here's one more hint: I'm not comparing Guidry to Blyleven, Morris or Sutton this time; the comparison is to many of the greatest pitchers of all time. All but one are Hall of Famers. The one non-HOFer is not yet eligible for the HOF ballot but is generally considered a very good bet to make the Hall.

Here are the identities of these pitching greats:

I included a "Guidry A" and "Guidry B" ("Guidry A" corresponding to "Pitcher G" in the first table) because Guidry, uniquely among these pitchers, had one of his better seasons interrupted by labor strife in baseball. "Guidry A" includes the strike-shortened '81 season; "Guidry B" substitutes his '83 season (21-9, 113 ERA+) for the '81 season. After a slow start in '81 (2-2, 4.30 ERA in his first five starts) Guidry was 9-3 with a 2.30 ERA over the last sixteen starts of the season. The strike, however, wiped out nearly ten weeks of the season from early June to early August, costing Guidry about 12 starts. Guidry gave every indication that he was accelerating toward a big season, and ended the season leading the AL in WH/IP and strikeout-to-walk ratio, and finished in the top five in the league in strikeouts per inning, fewest hits per inning and fewest walks per inning.

Guidry's best five seasons (using either the '81 or '83 season as the fifth) compare favorably with the best five seasons of these other great pitchers. Koufax's ERA and winning percentage obviously stand out. Feller and Hubbell were each very big winners, averaging 23 and 24.4 wins respectively in their best years (Koufax would have averaged more wins per year had he not missed two months of the '62 season and the last six weeks of the '64 season). Gomez's best five seasons include two pitching triple crown seasons, but Guidry's numbers still compare quite well. Hubbell's best five include three ERA titles, but Guidry's ERA, particularly if one includes the '81 season, is virtually the same as Hubbell's.

Just to give some sense of how spectacular the peak seasons of these pitchers are, there are seven pitching triple crown seasons among them - three for Koufax, two for Gomez and one each for Hubbell and Feller. Each of the pitchers listed averaged a 140 or better ERA+ over their best five seasons, with Koufax leading the way with a 167 ERA+ (Gibson was second in this group with a 152 ERA+). The lowest winning percentage in the group was Gibson's .667; Koufax and Guidry both maintained an incredible winning percentage over .750 over their five best seasons.

There were a few small surprises for me in these numbers and one big one. The small surprises included Schilling's excellent winning percentage (.731) and Feller's excellent ERA (I was, for some reason, unaware of how good Feller's ERA+'s were in his prime years). The big surprise was that Guidry won a higher percentage of his starts in his best five than Koufax; Guidry won an astounding 64% of his starts to Koufax's 63%.

The Greatest Southpaws In American League History

Posted by Gator Guy on Friday, May 29, 2009 , under | comments (0)













I suggested in this post that Ron Guidry may be the fourth greatest lefthander in the modern (i.e., post-1920) history of the American League, behind only Grove, Ford and Gomez. The more I look at it, the clearer the case becomes. The only other lefthander who might conceivably crack the top four is Randy Johnson, whose AL statistics are remarkably close to Guidry's. Let's look at the Guidry/Johnson comparison, and rank the top 10 southpaws in modern AL history.

In ten seasons with the Mariners and two with the Yankees Johnson compiled a 164-93 record, .638 winning percentage, and a 3.60 ERA (a 122 ERA+). He spent his first four seasons with the Mariners learning his craft and struggling to assert control and mastery over his outrageous stuff, a high '90s fastball and wickedly biting slider. He blossomed in 1993 and by 1995 was clearly the best pitcher in the AL, posting an 18-2 record in the strike-shortened season and winning the Cy Young Award (taking 26 of 28 first place votes). He missed almost the entire 1996 season with arm troubles but rebounded in 1997 with a 20-4 record and 2.28 ERA. Only Roger Clemens' triple crown season prevented Johnson from winning a second Cy Young Award. Johnson's impending free-agency and negotiations with the Mariners seemingly distracted Johnson in 1998 and he struggled to a 9-10 with Seattle before being traded to the D'backs and completely dominating the NL over the last two months of the season. He returned to the AL in 2005 at the age of 41 and spent two seasons with the Yankees, going 34-19 with very mediocre ERAs.

Johnson's AL record is almost identical to Guidry's - six fewer wins than Guidry and two more losses - for a .638 winning percentage that ranks behind only Ford, Grove, Guidry, Gomez and Pettitte since the inception of the AL in 1901. His dominance of the AL for four full seasons between '93 and '97 (a five year stretch that includes Johnson's very abbreviated season in '96) closely mirrors Guidry's domination of the AL for the three period between '77 and '79: Johnson was 75-20 (.789 win%) with a 162 ERA+; Guidry was 59-18 (.766 win%) with a 161 ERA+. Johnson won one Cy Young Award and had two second place finishes and one third, as compared to Guidry's first, third and seventh place finishes between '77 and '79.

Johnson's period of dominance in the AL was slightly longer than Guidry's, and that's a plus for Randy. But Randy's AL career was rather shallow aside from those four seasons, and none of his other AL seasons placed him among the AL's premier pitchers. Johnson played nine full seasons in the AL ('89, '96 and '98 were all partial seasons due to either trades or injury) and the four seasons I've mentioned were the only ones in which he received Cy Young consideration. Guidry had six seasons over a nine-year stretch in which he received CY consideration and his career in the AL is accordingly a little deeper than Johnson's.

What really tilts the decision in favor of Guidry are the post-season and pennant race performances. Johnson participated in three tight divisional races in the AL (with Seattle in '95 and '97 and the Yanks in '05) and was outstanding in all three, going a combined 12-0 in 15 starts with a 2.04 ERA, but his 5-0 September record in '95 was the only one in which his impact on the race approached Guidry's '77, '78 and '85 seasons, in which Guidry led two spectacular Yankees comebacks and one aborted comeback. In '97 Johnson made only three September starts in the Mariner's division title push. Although his victory over the Red Sox on the 2nd to last day of the 2005 season clinched the division title and a playoff spot for the Yankees, his 4 victories in six starts were less significant than Aaron Small's five wins in five starts, which included four straight wins in the first 20 days of September while Johnson was logging two no-decisions in three starts. It was Small's four straight wins while the Yanks overcame a four game deficit in early/mid September that keyed the Yanks' comeback.

Guidry's biggest edge is in the October performances. Johnson won his first post-season start in '95 and picked up another win in relief to clinch Seattle's series win over the Yankees in the ALDS. After that he made six starts in AL post-season competition and went 0-4 with a 5.35 ERA. He pitched well in a relief stint for the Yanks in the last game of the 2005 ALDS, but his failures in his six starts contributed significantly to four series losses by the Mariners and Yankees.

Altogether Johnson was 14-4 in 22 starts in AL pennant races and post-seasons, posting a 2.80 ERA in 157.1 innings. As I've noted, Guidry was an astounding 31-6 in 40 starts in pennant races and the post-season with a 2.74 ERA. Guidry's outstanding 3-1 record and 1.69 ERA in the World Series further cement his edge.

Johnson's amazing NL record vaults him to the top of the ranks of major league lefthanders, behind only Grove in my estimation. His .655 winning percentage in the NL equals Koufax's, and his amazing 158 ERA+ in the NL is probably enough to make him the greatest NL lefthander of all-time, a nose ahead of Sandy. Johnson is plainly the superior pitcher in any comparison of Johnson's career vs. Guidry's, but based purely on their AL records Guidry narrowly wins and places fourth on my list of modern era (i.e., post-1920) AL lefties.

Santana obviously had the potential to move ahead of Guidry among AL lefthanders, and he still might if he ever returns to the AL, but his 93-44 record in the AL and only four full seasons as a starter don't provide enough data. Newhouser might have challenged Guidry's standing, but the fact that two of his three dominant years occurred during the war years hurts his case. Plank and Waddell were great in the pre-1920 era, the best of their time, but it's virtually impossible to make valid comparisons with post-1920 pitchers because of the vastly different nature of the game in the early part of the century.

My top ten modern era AL lefties are, in order, Grove, Ford, Gomez (by a nose over Guidry), Guidry, Santana, Pennock, Pettitte, Newhouser, Kaat and Lopat. Jimmy Key, Billy Pierce and Tommy John narrowly miss the cut. Mark Buehrle and C.C. Sabathia can enter into the discussion with three or four more good years.

It somehow strikes my as very odd that the fourth (or even the fifth or sixth) greatest leftie in modern AL history could be rejected by the Hall of Fame. Veterans Committee, are you listening?

Did You Know That Ron Guidry...

Posted by Gator Guy on Thursday, May 28, 2009 , under | comments (0)



...is the only pitcher to have won a Cy Young and received CY votes in five other seasons and be rejected by the Hall?

There have been twelve pitchers to do this and other than Ron Guidry each is already in the Hall or, barring unforeseen circumstances, will be a first ballot HOFer. The twelve are Tom Seaver, Jim Palmer, Ferguson Jenkins, Steve Carlton, Ron Guidry, Dennis Eckersley, Roger Clemens, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez, Tom Glavine and Johan Santana.


There are three more pitchers who received CY votes in six or more years but never won a Cy Young Award: Mike Mussina (nine years), Nolan Ryan (eight) and Jack Morris (seven). Ryan's already in, Morris is knockin' on the door, and Mussina's candidacy is certain to be stronger than Morris'.

That makes 15 pitchers who have received Cy Young support in six different seasons, and every one received (or will receive) more than 40% support for the Hall of Fame, except one. You know his name. I'll remind you that he never even received 9% of the vote.

Incomprehensible. Really, just inexplicable.

P.S. Another interesting Cy Young fact: Guidry's six seasons in which he received CY votes happened within a nine year span. Randy Johnson took only eight years to accumulate six such seasons. Carlton, Glavine, Jenkins, Eckersley, Ryan and Morris each took more than nine years to accomplish the feat.

How Long Does a Hall of Fame Career Have To Be?

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How many wins must a Hall of Fame pitcher have? How many innings are enough, and how many not enough?

The most frequently cited criticisms of Guidry's HOF qualifications are "not enough wins" and "he didn't do it long enough." Most agree that in Guidry's case the quality was there, it's just a matter of quantity. It's certainly true that the duration of Guidry's career, and his number of wins and innings, would place him on the low end of the HOF pitching roster, but does he really fail to meet some informal minimum for the Hall?

It seems this debate always veers to a discussion of Koufax and Dean (who had 165 and 150 wins, respectively) and a discussion of an apparent exception for great pitchers who careers were prematurely ended by injury. But there are also six 20th century starting pitchers in the Hall with fewer than 200 wins who are not named Koufax or Dean and don't qualify for the prematurely-ended-career exception, and thirteen who won fewer than 220 games. Each of these pitchers pitched in times when 4-man rotations were the rule, complete games the expectation, and 20 wins and 280 to 300 innings common for elite pitchers.

Here's the question for the BBWAA and the Veterans Committee: if the five Hall of Famers pictured above (left to right, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Bob Lemon, Don Drysdale and Happy Jack Chesbro) are Hall worthy despite win totals ranging from 184 to 209, are 170 wins too few for the Hall if attained in the age of five-man rotations and seven-inning starts?

Let's look at some other HOF pitchers with short careers.


















A distinguished group, to be sure. Every era is represented, with pitchers who pitched primarily in each of the decades of the 20th century from the first decade through the 1970's. In every decade there has been at least one pitcher whose career length, wins and innings are notably low, and whose peak career was relatively brief. Let's sharpen the focus to the period from 1920 to 1970 and look at five pitchers: Dazzy Vance, Lefty Gomez, Hal Newhouser, Bob Lemon and Don Drysdale.

The average career win total for this group is 202. The average innings pitched is approximately 2950. The average number of starts is approx. 371. Guidry, with 170 wins, 2392 innings and 323 starts, is short in each category. Guidry's totals are actually fairly close to those of Gomez and Vance, each of whom frequently pitched in a five man rotation. Newhouser, Lemon and Drysdale each pitched almost exclusively in four-man rotations in their prime and averaged over 280 innings per year during their peak years.

Guidry, however, like all future Hall of Fame candidates, pitched exlusively in a five-man rotation, his career coinciding with an era in which the five-man rotation became the rule rather than the exception. As I've discussed in a previous post, the impact of this on the statistics of future Hall of Fame candidates will be profound. The five-man rotation reduces the average number of starts by elite pitchers by about 15%, and the 5-man rotation together with shorter starts and more prominent bullpen roles reduce wins and innings by approximately 20%. It is a simple fact that Pedro Martinez's 214 wins will be nearer the median for HOF candidates in the future, and Mike Mussina's 270 wins near the very high end.

If Guidry's totals are adjusted for the impact of the 5-man rotation (which has reduced wins, innings and starts by approximately 15% for front of the rotation pitchers), his win total is approximately 200, his innings pitched 2870 and his starts 371, each remarkably close to the average of our five Hall of Famers.*

The fact is that the very productive portion of his career was essentially as long as those of our five Hall of Famers. Our average Hall of Famer had 11 seasons in which he pitched enough innings to qualify for the ERA title, with each of Lemon and Gomez having 10 such seaons - the same number as Ron Guidry. He averaged more wins per season during such years than Drysdale and virtually the same number as Vance, despite making substantially fewer starts than either. If Guidry's wins are increased by 15% to account for the impact of the 5-man rotation, he averaged nearly as many wins per season as Bob Lemon.

These Hall of Fame pitchers won more games than Guidry not because their careers were longer, but because they either pitched primarily in a four-man rotation or in an era when starting pitchers frequently picked up a few wins a year in relief (Gomez, Newhouser and Lemon benefited from these "easy" wins). It is simply not a valid argument that Guidry did not have a long enough career or win enough games, because the length of his productive career was virtually the same as our five Hall of Famers and his win total, when adjusted for the impact of the 5-man rotation, was also virtually the same. And there are four more 20th century pitchers in the Hall - Walsh, Waddell, Chesbro and Marquard - whose careers were no longer than Guidry's and whose win totals are no more impressive when controlled for the impact of the shift from 4-man to 5-man rotations.

The Hall of Fame voters will simply have to acknowledge the impact of modern pitching practices on the career statistics of future candidates. The crop of recently retired or soon to retire pitchers who started their careers in the '80's won't force this acknowledgment because they all had extraordinarily long careers and consequently huge win totals - Maddux, Clemens, Glavine and Johnson. But there are pitchers whose candidacies are on the near horizon - Mussina, Schilling and Brown, for example - who will force HOF voters to closely examine these issues. And it is all but inevitable that in the slightly more distant future there will be pitchers who, like Guidry, win about 170 games over a productive career of ten to twelve years and yet are manifestly Hall worthy; just think of Halladay, Oswalt or Santana, if for some reason they only have three or four more productive seasons. Or think Josh Beckett if he manages to put together four or five more seasons of 15 to 20 wins and grab some more World Series glory. Just think Brandon Webb if he puts together five more top flight seasons and wins another Cy Young or two. What if, like Guidry, each of these pitchers remains one of the top pitchers in their league right up to the moment they hit the 170 or 180 win mark, and then their career ends?

I believe the Hall will soon have to acknowledge that Mussina's 270 wins are the equivalent of the win totals posted by Early Wynn and Lefty Grove. I similarly believe the Hall will have to acknowledge that Ron Guidry might have had five or six 20 win seasons but for the impact of the 5-man rotation and a strike-shortened season, and most certainly would have won approximately as many games as Gomez, Vance, Newhouser, Lemon and Drysdale.

In short, I hope the Veterans Committee recognizes a few things the BBWAA apparently failed to recognize: Ron Guidry was the best big game pitcher of his time, the best pitcher in the American League after Palmer's prime and before Clemens', and his career was as long and productive as at least ten pitchers who are in the Hall. These are all incontrovertible statements of fact, and all strongly argue for Ron Guidry's induction into the Hall of Fame.
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* I arrived at Guidry's win total by multiplying it by 1.15 and adding an additional 5.5 wins for the strike-shortened '81 season. I also multiplied Guidry's innings and starts by 1.15 although the impact of 5-man rotations and increased bullpen utilization has been to decrease each by approximately 20%. I did this both to be conservative in adjusting Guidry's stats and also because the trend toward increased bullpen utilization, though it began during Guidry's career, increased significantly after Guidry's productive career ended in 1986.

Guidry v. Schilling

Posted by Gator Guy on Wednesday, May 27, 2009 , under | comments (0)



I'm ambivalent about Schilling's qualifications for the Hall, but let's face it - he's going in. His big game reputation and outstanding post-season record will put him over the top.

Schilling Shills generally acknowledge that his record is very erratic, his inconsistency and periodic arm issues resulting in numerous single-digit win totals and poor winning percentages throughout his career. The Shills fairly argue, however, that Schilling's peak years were excellent and deserving of HOF induction. Let's compare Schilling's peak years to Guidry's, doing a year-by-year comparison.

The following table lists Schilling's and Guidry's peak years in descending order of wins.
















I've inserted a "G" or "S" in the middle column to indicate which pitcher, in my opinion, had the superior year. Here's my reasoning for each year.

Year One, Guidry's '78 v. Schilling's '02. Amazing year for both. A clear and significant edge for Guidry, however, on the basis of his historic record and ERA, the amazing September and post-season performance, and the fact that Guidry's season was the key to the Yanks' comeback, the biggest in AL history.

Year Two, Guidry's '85 v. Schilling's '01. The same record for each, but Schilling's great October and excellent ERA give him the decision.

Year Three, Guidry's '83 v. Schilling's '04. Another win for Schilling. Better record, better ERA, plus a good October for Curt.

Year Four, Guidry's '79 v. Schilling's '97. Similar records and ERA+'s, but slight edges to Guidry in each case. Also, Guidry won the ERA title.

Year Five, Guidry's '80 v. Schilling's '93: Good records but mediocre ERAs for each. I thought about giving the nod to Schilling on the basis of his good Sept/Oct for the Phils. Guidry also had a good September, however, and has the superior ERA+, so he gets the edge.

Year Six, Guidry's '77 v. Schilling's 2006. Similar records, but Guidry's superior ERA+ and tremendous Sept/Oct performance during the Yanks' championship season give Guidry the clear win.

Year Seven, Guidry's '82 v. Schilling's '99. Schilling has the superior record and ERA, so a clear win for Curt.

Year Eight, Guidry's '81 v. Schilling's '98: An odd comparison because Guidry's season is the strike-shortened '81 season. Schilling has a very slight edge in ERA+, but Guidry's clearly superior record, selection as Sporting News' lefthanded starter for the A.L. and impressive World Series performance gives him the clear edge.

Year Nine, Guidry's '84 v. Schilling's '92: Easy win for Curt; Guidry's only season where arm injury was a significant factor.

Year Ten: Slight edge for Schilling, but this season and all other seasons for each not reflected in this table don't really qualify as "peak seasons."

It's split, five seasons for each, but Guidry takes four of the top six. The point here, however, is not to make some fine distinction between Schilling and Guidry, but to demonstrate how close the two are. The "big game" comparison doesn't really resolve anything, either: both have very similar World Series records, Schilling has the overall post-season edge, but Guidry has a huge edge over Schilling in pennant race performances.

I would ask all the BBWAA voters who will vote for Schilling to explain how the BBWAA as a group could find no more than about 9% of the vote for Guidry. Isn't it apparent that over their peak years they were very similar? Isn't it also apparent that Schilling's "non-peak" years (more numerous than Guidry's, who played only a few years after his peak ended) are not a plus in his HOF resume? Here they are:
















This number of mediocre records and short seasons are actually a negative, from my point of view, and when the BBWAA considered Bret Saberhagen for the Hall they apparently felt the same way - good pitcher, too many poor or abbreviated seasons.

Guidry has the edge over Schilling in my book because he was a more consistent winner, had the distinctly superior record down the stretch in pennant races, and never stumbled in a pennant race. Schilling was great in October, but uneven in September, and he played a significant role in tanking the D'backs shot at one division title and almost losing another.

I don't know if Schilling belongs in the Hall of Fame, but I'm pretty damn sure he's going in. I'm also sure of one other thing: if Schilling goes into the Hall, Guidry belongs there, too.

A Note About Catfish Hunter

Posted by Gator Guy on Tuesday, May 26, 2009 , under , | comments (0)



Online commenters and kibbitzers tend to disparage Catfish Hunter's HOF qualifications - only 224 wins, an elite pitcher for only a six or seven year span, rather pedestrian ERAs, and, they argue, a big winner only because he played for great teams that gave him excellent run support.

These observations from Catfish's critics may have some merit, but they don't detract from the following consideration. Catfish Hunter made 34 starts for the A's in Sept/Oct of '72, '73 and '74. Almost all of them were big starts because the A's won the AL West by narrow margins each year, clinching only in the last week of each season. His record in these 34 starts was 20-5 with a 2.38 ERA in 246 innings pitched. He was the unquestioned ace of the only non-Yankee team to win three consecutive World Series, and he went 7-1 in the six post-season series the A's played on their way to those three world championships.

The BBWAA obviously thinks that carries a lot of weight. I do, too. I should point out that the same community of online commenters who question Hunter's HOF bona fides generally seems to attach great weight to Curt Schilling's post-season record and reputation as a big game pitcher.

20-5, 2.38 ERA in 246 of the biggest innings in his career and in the history of the Oakland A's franchise. That positively shouts "Hall of Fame" to me. It's enough to put a five time 20-game winner with a Cy Young award and five world championship rings over the top and into the Hall.

More September Big Game Records

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It occurred to me that I've somehow omitted any discussion of Blyleven's pennant race performances.

Bert participated in seven tight division races - '70, '77-80, '87 and '89 (again, I've defined a tight division race as one in which the race was within five games at some point in September prior to elimination or clinching, and the pitcher made at least one September start when the race was within five games). Bert's teams won two world championships, three division titles and had an average winning percentage of .562 (equivalent to 91 wins in a 162 game season). In other words, these were good teams, and yet Bert's September records in these races were as strikingly mediocre as the rest of his regular season performances for these teams. Bert made 40 starts in these seven races and had a 13-14 record and 3.04 ERA in 278 innings pitched.

It's the same ol' Bert story: decent ERA but a relatively low win total and winning percentage despite pitching for good teams. Bert didn't win as many as three games in any September until his last one in '89. The fact is that Bert played in seven tight divisional races and didn't have a significant impact on any of them. Three times Bert made six or more starts in September and won only two games. Twice he made five or more starts and won only one game. Even Jack Morris, for all his September troubles, had two Septembers in which he won four games.

The Bert Backers would no doubt remind us that Bert had an excellent post-season record. He absolutely did, but as is the case for many other pitchers, the post-season sample size for Bert is rather small - six decisions and 47.1 IP. In any event, Bert's October record can't obscure the fact that he was perfectly mediocre across 40 starts in seven years in which his teams played very important games in September.

I haven't checked Jim Kaat's pennant race records, but I happened to stumble across an account of Kaat's amazing performance in the great '67 AL pennant race in which he was 7-0 with a 1.51 ERA.

It seems as if every pitching candidate for the Hall of Fame managed to have at least one September where he made his presence felt in a pennant race. Every candidate other than Bert Blyleven, that is.

The Thin Man

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The following is the opening paragraph from an article on Guidry in Sports Illustrated's September 19, 1977 edition entitled "Getting Fat With The Thin Man," a reference to the slender Louisianan's emergence as the Yankee ace as the team surged past the Red Sox and Orioles to win the AL East title.

"From Aug. 7 through the end of last week, the Yankees won 28 of 34 games and moved from third place, five games out, to two ahead in the American League East...And when a team goes on a tear, there invariably is a starting pitcher high on the list of streakers. Because the Yanks' staff is loaded with the likes of World Series heroes Catfish Hunter, Don Gullett and Ken Holtzman, it is hardly surprising that New York found a hot arm. The astounding thing is that the limb is attached to the left shoulder of Ron Guidry, a pitcher whose reputation had been as puny as his 5'11", 158-pound body."
Guidry's epic performance during the '78 pennant - the win in the one-game playoff at Fenway, the back-to-back two-hit shutouts of the Sox in September - didn't come as a surprise in Yankee fans. In fact, it seemed very familiar, because Guidry had been almost as dominant during the Yanks' 41-13 charge down the stretch in '77. It's likely Guidry's '77 performance would occupy a more significant place in baseball lore but for the shadow cast by the legendary '78 season.

The Yankees lost four of their first five games in August '77 to drop five games behind the Red Sox and 2.5 games behind the Orioles. Don Gullet, the Yanks' prize free-agent signing of '77, was on the disabled list. Catfish Hunter, Mike Torrez and Ed Figueroa, the mainstays of the Yanks' staff in '76, were collectively 26-25. And Ron Guidry, a relief pitcher plucked from the bullpen by Billy Martin in mid-May to bolster the stumbling starting staff, had a decent if unspectacular record of 8-6 and a 3.25 ERA.

Torrez pitched a six-hitter on August 7th to break a three-game Yankee skid and begin a streak of 24 wins in 27 games that vaulted the Yankees past the Red Sox and Orioles into first place in the AL East. The Yankees remained hot the rest of the season, ultimately winning 41 of their last 54 games, equalling the '51 Giants' 54 game dash to the NL pennant in the Miracle of Coogan's Bluff. As Sports Illustrated noted, the Yankees' ace down the stretch was, improbably, the slightly built Louisianan who'd pitched only 54 innings in the major leagues before joining the Yankees starting staff.

Guidry went 8-1 with a 2.16 ERA during the Yankees' finishing kick, including a complete game, five hit victory over the Red Sox on September 13th that boosted the Yanks' lead to 2.5 games. He won seven consecutive starts between August 21 and September 25, pitching five complete games, three shutouts, and compiling a 1.02 ERA over 61.2 innings. His record in six September starts was 5-1 with a 1.89 ERA.

Guidry added a victory over the Royals in the ALCS and a complete game, four-hit victory over the Dodgers in game four of the World Series to put the Yankees one win away from the world championship. In acknowledgment of Guidry's performance during the Yanks' stretch drive, MVP balloters gave him more votes than any other starting pitcher in the AL.

El Tiante v. Louisiana Lightning

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Baseball Crank has an excellent evaluation of Blyleven, Morris, Kaat, John, Tiant, Guidry and others in a January 2001 post. It's a very detailed, incisive and fair assessment of the HOF qualifications of various pitchers, and I agree with his conclusions that Morris, John and Kaat fall short, if just barely. And I really applaud his support of Luis Tiant's induction, particularly his citation of Tiant's outstanding September records for the Red Sox in '70s pennant races. We differ on Blyleven, but Baseball Crank's evaluation of Blyleven is one of the few I've seen that candidly acknowledges the faults in Blyleven's HOF resume: the generally mediocre win totals and winning percentages even when pitching for solid teams.

I'll discuss on the next page Baseball Crank's discussions of Luis Tiant and Ron Guidry. I think Baseball Crank would agree that upon closer examination Guidry has many of the same qualifications as Tiant. I also think that Baseball Crank would agree (fair-minded fellow that he is) that in one instance he grossly mischaracterized Guidry's record.

The Crank begins by noting that Tiant posted particularly outstanding ERAs in '68 and '72:

"Consider: between 1921 and 1993, only three pitchers qualified for the ERA title with an ERA below 2.00 more than once: Sandy Koufax, Hal Newhouser, and Luis Tiant. Tiant's 1.91 mark in 1972 was the lowest at Fenway between Babe Ruth's 1916 season and Roger Clemens in 1990; his 1.60 ERA in 1968 remains the lowest in the AL since Walter Johnson in 1919. Those gaudy ERAs are less impressive when you consider that 1972 and 1968 were the low points for scoring in the AL after 1920, but the translated ERAs for the two seasons are still impressive, 1.99 and 2.16."
As the Crank acknowledges, '68 and '72 were the two most pitching dominated years in modern American League history. Still, Tiant's ERAs were outstanding, translating to a 186 ERA+ in '68 and a 170 ERA+ in '72. There were only eight pitchers between 1921 and 1993 who posted more than one season with a 170 ERA+ or better: Lefty Grove, Lefty Gomez, Ted Lyons, Dazzy Vance, Whitey Ford, Sandy Koufax, Hal Newhouser and Tom Seaver. A trio of lefties - Spahn, Carlton and Hubbeel - narrowly missed achieving the feat.


Tiant's '68 and '72 ERAs were indeed outstanding, and he maintained an impressive 119 ERA+ for the first 3000 innings of his career before a late-career decline dragged caused him to finish with a 114. But I would point out to the Crank that as great as Tiant's '68 and '72 ERAs were, if you averaged Tiant's ERA+ for his best three seasons ('68, '72 and a 133 ERA+ in '74) you get a 154 ERA+, a lower ERA+ than Guidry maintained over three consecutive years from '77 to '79. In fact, you can throw in Guidry's 129 ERA+ from the strike-shortened '81 season and his four-year average is 156, slightly higher than Tiant's average over his best three years.

The Crank then makes the following observation relative to his discussion of Tiant's outstanding ERAs in his best seasons:
"As the TR for Tiant indicates, he was a guy who would have been a winner even on average teams; his offenses, on balance, just weren’t that great."
Sorry, Crank, but this is simply not correct. Tiant's offensive support during his years with Boston - the bulk of his HOF resume - was very, very good, if not great. In five of Tiant's seven full seasons with the Sox his run support ranged from .7 to 1.5 runs/game higher than the league average! Even adjusting for the Fenway factor, this is tremendous run support. Throw in the other two years, when his support from the Sox approximated the league average, and Tiant's run support from the Sox was approximately .7 runs/game higher than the league average over the period '72 to '78.

The Crank then compares Tiant's career statistics to the stats of eight HOF pitchers (including Bunning, Drysdale, Hunter and Newhouser) and draws the following conclusion:
"The best case for Tiant is that he meets the standard they don't: a guy who would still have had very good records even with just average teams. Yeah, Catfish won more games in the postseason, but tell me that Tiant wasn’t as good a big-game pitcher as anyone in his time; counting the postseason, Peter Gammons in “Beyond the Sixth Game” noted that Tiant’s September/October record with the Red Sox – in some of the tightest pennant races and series ever – was 32-10. 32-10!"
It's not clear what Tiant would have done with "just average" teams, but it's very clear what he did with good teams because the Sox averaged more than 90 wins a season and compiled a cumulative .562 winning percentage from '72 to '78. It's true that the Cleveland teams Tiant pitched for in the '60s were generally mediocre, but the Crank would have to admit that Tiant didn't compile "very good records" with the Indians other than in '68. The Crank's suggestion that Tiant's teams weren't as good as those Drysdale and Hunter pitched is misleading; the Sox teams were very good and any edge the '60s Dodgers or '70s A's may have had was due to deeper pitching staffs and bullpens, because the '70s Sox teams were very good hitting teams.

One quibble with the September stats the Crank so astutely references: Tiant was 31-12 with Sox in September and October, not 32-10. However, I completely concur with the Crank's assertion that Tiant was one of the great big game pitchers of his time. Tiant's 31-12 Sept/Oct record with the Sox certainly deserves the exclamation point the Crank attaches. But if 31-12 deserves an exclamation point, then Guidry's pennant race record - 26 wins in 30 starts - deserves a fireworks display.

Here's the Crank's take on Guidry's HOF qualifications:
"...[W]ith him the question is simple: did he stay on the mountaintop long enough? Maybe it’s just a gut feeling at this point, but I say no. His ERAs and other numbers in 1983 and 1985 just don’t say “Dizzy Dean” or “Ed Walsh;” he was a very good pitcher with a very good offense in those years, but he wasn’t carrying the team on his back. That really just leaves a 3-year stretch (1977-79) when he dominated the league, and in two of those years he fell short of 20 wins. Guidry was only a slightly healthier version of Saberhagen or Gullett – great pitchers all when 100%, but rarely all in one piece. He's OUT."
I'll offer brief rejoinders to the Crank's first two claims. First, Guidry stayed "on the mountaintop" at least as long as Tiant, and his mountaintop was higher. Tiant had arguably eight very good seasons (seven with the Sox and one with the Tribe) during which he was 142-83 (a .631 win%) with a 126 ERA+. Guidry's totals for his best eight years were 144-56 (a .720 win%) with a 129 ERA+. Here's the really startling fact, however: the Sox and Indian teams over those eight years had a .543 winning percentage when you subtract Tiant's records; Guidry's Yankee teams had a .552 winning percentage without his contribution. Simply put, Tiant's winning percentage relative to his teams was great, but Guidry's was astounding.

Second, as for Crank's contention that Guidry's ERAs in ' 83 in '85 "just don't say 'Dizzy Dean' or 'Ed Walsh'", I would respond simply that Guidry's ERAs in those two years compare quite favorably with Dean's ERAs (though neither compares with Walsh, who compiled the lowest career ERA in baseball history during an era when the game barely resembled the game Dean and Guidry played). The Crank cites the '83 and '85 seasons because Guidry had great W-L records in those years but comparatively pedestrian ERA+ of 113 and 123, respectively. Contrary to the Crank's claim, however, those ERAs say "Dizzy Dean" quite clearly - Dean had ERA+ of 124 and 114 in his 3rd and 4th best years (i.e., '36 and '33). I'd further point out that Dean's ERA+ of 159 and 135 in his two best seasons don't begin to compare with Guidry's peak years from '77 to '79. Dizzy Dean was a great pitcher, one who averaged nearly 27 wins per season in the 3 1/2 years preceding Earl Averill's line drive off Dean's toe in the '37 All-Star game, and he clearly belongs in the Hall in my opinion. But the Crank's unfavorable comparison of Guidry's ERAs to the Diz's is off target.

That brings me to my final rejoinder to the Crank's characterization of Guidry's HOF bona fides. The Crank calls Guidry a "slightly healthier version" of two famously injury-plagued pitchers, Don Gullett and Bret Saberhagen. The Crank couldn't be further off the mark with this one. In fact, I'm completely mystified by this claim because Guidry was virtually injury-free except for the '84 season. During Gullett's peak from '71 to '77 he average only 181 innings per season and failed to pitch enough innings to qualify for the ERA title in four of those seasons. Saberhagen averaged approximately 200 innings per season during his peak from '84 to '91 and failed to qualify for the ERA title in three of those years. Guidry, by comparison, averaged 230 innings during his peak from '77 to '85, pitching enough innings to qualify for the ERA title every year. Just to illustrate the absurdity of the Crank's characterization of Guidry, consider that the consensus "iron man" of the '80s, Jack Morris, averaged 262 innings per season from '80 to '88 (adjusting for the strike-shortened season); surely the difference between an "iron man" and "injury plagued" can't be a mere 30 innings per season.

I liked the Crank's take on these Hall of Fame debates, but his views of Tiant's and Guidry's comparative HOF qualifications reflected a few glaring misconceptions. Bottom line: I second the Crank's nomination of El Tiante to the Hall, and argue that Louisiana Lightning is even more qualified than the crafty Cuban.

Pedro in '99, Grove in '31, Gibson in '68, Guidry in '78...

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...McLain in '68, Koufax in '65 (or '66, or '63), Gooden in '84. These are some of the greatest seasons pitchers have ever had. Let's examine various measures of pitching dominance and compare Guidry's '78 season to many of the other greatest seasons in baseball history. A statistical analysis confirms that Guidry's '78 season is among the greatest ever. When one considers that this performance occurred during one of the most legendary pennant races in baseball history and fueled the greatest comeback in American League history, it is not unreasonable to suggest that Guidry's magnificent season is the greatest ever.

The Record: 25-3. It's the highest winning percentage for a 20-win season in baseball history.

It's one of five seasons in which a 20 game winner lost only three games (Roe in '51, Cone in '88, Clemens in '01 and Lee in '08).

It's one of six seasons in which a pitcher was 22 or more games over .500 (Grove was 27 over in '31, McLain 25 over in '68, Dean 23 over '34, Grove 23 over in '30, Vance 22 over in '24).

Since 1954 (the earliest year for which the data is available) only four 20 game winners have won a higher percentage of their starts in a season (Martinez in '99, Clemens in '86, Welch in '90 and McLain in '68).

The ERA. We'll look at ERA+, which normalizes for league performance and park factors.

Guidry's 208 ERA+ was the third highest in modern history (i.e., post-1920) at the time, behind only Gibson's 258 in '68 and Grove's 219 in '31. Only Martinez, Clemens and Grove have ever posted a higher ERA+ in the American League. Oddly, Guidry retains the distinction of being the only A.L. pitcher to make as many as 35 starts in his 200+ season (in the N.L., Gooden started 35 games in '85 and Luque started 37 in '23).

Only nine pitchers have had a 200 or greater ERA+ since 1920. Because the standard deviation in the distribution of ERAs widens in times of both very low and very high offensive production, we've seen a proliferation of these kinds of seasons since 1990 (Martinez has topped 200 five times, Clemens three times, Maddux twice and Kevin Brown once). When Guidry accomplished it, however, it was only the third time it had been done in the A.L. since 1920, and only the fifth time in the major leagues since 1920 (Luque in '23, Grove in '31, Pierce in '55 and Gibson in '68).

In terms of simple ERA, only Pedro Martinez has matched Guidry's ERA in the A.L. since '78 (Martinez posted a 1.742 in 2000 compared to Guidry's 1.743 in '78). Guidry's 1.74 remains the 12th lowest since 1920 for a full season (Nolan Ryan compiled a 1.69 ERA in the strike-shortened '81 season).

Opposition OPS+. Opposition OPS+, like ERA+, is normalized for the league average and park factors. As such, it is a better measure of pitching dominance than WH/IP or H/IP, each of which can vary widely across eras depending on the general level of offense during a particular era.

Data for Opp. OPS+ is only available as far back as 1954. Between 1954 and 1978 only one American League pitcher had held opposing batters to an OPS+ of less than 53 - Joe Horlen of the White Sox in 1964 who had an Opp. OPS+ of 49.*

Guidry held opposing batters to an OPS+ of 50 in 1978. Throw out Horlen's performance and only Bob Gibson in his historic 1968 season posted a lower Opp. OPS+ - 47. Here are the ten lowest Opp. OPS+ posted between 1954 and 1978:

1. Gibson ('68), 47
2. Horlen ('64), 49
3. Guidry ('78), 50
4. Marichal ('66) and Sutton ('72), 51
6. Koufax ('65), 52
7. Score ('56), Aquirre ('62), Chance ('64), 53
10. Koufax ('63), 54

As of 1993 Guidry's 1978 OPS+ remained behind only Gibson's and Horlen's marks, with Clemens in '86 and Appier in '93 each joining Guidry by posting an OPS+ of 50. In the National League, Dwight Gooden posted a 52 OPS+ in 1985 to crack the top 10.

Since 1993 there has been a profusion of very low Opp. OPS+ marks, with Martinez, R. Johnson, Maddux, Santana and Clemens combining to post 15 different seasons with OPS+ of 50 or less, with each posting at least one season with an OPS+ better than Gibson's old record of 47. The record is now an extraordinary 18, posted by Martinez in 2000.

The 40 year period between 1954 and 1993 saw many extraordinary pitchers and pitching performances - Koufax, Marichal, Gibson, Seaver, Carlton, Guidry, Gooden, Palmer, Clemens and others. It is worth noting that Guidry's Opp. OPS+ of 50 in '78 was better than any posted by the foregoing pitchers other than Gibson in '68. One should be careful about ranking seasons on the basis of small differences in a single statistical category, but Guidry's OPS+ establishes at a minimum that his dominance of major league batters was on a par with Koufax in his prime, Gooden in his extraordinary '85 season and Gibson in '68.
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* This performance is somewhat suspect, however, because of evidence that the White Sox manager, Eddie Stanky, tampered with the baseballs at the Sox's home games by storing them overnight in a very cold, damp room in Comiskey Park, and employed groundskeeping strategems to deaden batted balls (i.e., long infield grass, very damp and soft infield turf). Judging by the White Sox's pitching staff's performance in '64, Stanky's strategies were wildly successful - the Sox's staff posted an extraordinary team Opp. OPS+ at home of 68, approximately the same Opp. OPS+ recorded by Jim Palmer in his Cy Young year of 1975.

Jim Kaplan Nailed It 23 Years Ago

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"Three kinds of players dominate the Baseball Hall of Fame: batters who hit a lot, sluggers who homer a lot, pitchers who win a lot. Their glitzy stats jump out of the bios sent to electors. But there are equally deserving players who don't make the Hall: men whose numbers aren't catchy enough and whose contributions are often too subtle to be summarized. Some of them are subsequently elected by the Veterans' Committee, but that group's deliberations don't begin until 23 years after a player has retired.

"One way to try to right these wrongs is to build up support for worthy but underrated players before they get lost in the shuffle. I have in mind three current players who merit election to the Hall but possibly will not make it based on past voting patterns: Tony Perez, Ron Guidry and Ozzie Smith."
Jim Kaplan, in the June 2, 1986 edition of Sports Illustrated

SI's Jim Kaplan was prophetic - or at least 67% prophetic. Tony Perez and Ozzie Smith have indeed been inducted into the cherished Hall. Ron Guidry, however...

I highly recommend the article. Kaplan succinctly stated the case for Perez, Guidry and Smith, and also neatly summarized the rather narrow perspective of the typical BBWAA voter. Click here to read the whole article.

There is a very telling quote in Kaplan's article from Ray Miller, the manager of the Twins at the time and former Oriole pitching coach.
"Ron definitely deserves to be in the Hall. He throws strikes and has great leverage when he comes over the top. And he's one of the best fielding pitchers I've ever seen. Sure, his fastball isn't what it used to be, but he throws two different sliders and mixes in curves and change-ups. The only problem with Guidry is that he doesn't talk up his own case."
Indeed, Guidry does not talk up his own case. It's just not Guidry's nature to tout himself. I fear the accomplishments of the Quiet Cajun have been overshadowed by the legends and myths surrounding the outsized personalities in the Bronx Zoo - Steinbrenner, Jackson and Martin. A few more trips to the SI archives might help remind the Veterans Committee of how highly Guidry was regarded in his time.

Guidry Gets An Endorsement From Jim Rice

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You know my opinion about Ron Guidry's HOF bona fides. How about getting Jim Rice's view?

Rice was asked about Blyleven and Morris on a conference call with the press shortly after his election to the Hall. Rice made the point that it's about more than numbers. For a player, it was about what great competitors these guys were. Rice plainly thinks Blyleven and Morris are HOF quality candidates. What was really interesting, however, is that he goes out of his way to mention two other pitchers he felt epitomized great competitors:
"So when you look at pitchers like [Blyleven and Morris], like a Ron Guidry, you look at a Goose Gossage, that you go out there and you face everyday, and you knew they were going to be the best."
I think Jim Rice knows a thing or two about Hall of Fame pitchers. Thanks, Jim, from the Gator Guy and all the Ron Guidry fans.

Cooperstown Chronicles

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I've posted a link to Cooperstown Chronicles at LestersLegends.com. Ryan Lester is the proprietor of LestersLegends and he offers his views of the HOF qualifications of various Hall of Famers and HOF prospects. While I don't always agree with Ryan, I find his insights interesting and illuminating. Here's his take on Ron Guidry's candidacy for the HOF:

"I would have liked to see Ron Guidry get more than the 170 victories he totaled. If he got 30 more at the same winning percentage (.651), I think he would have been a no-brainer. He had a nine-year stretch when he was one of the very best pitchers in the game. His 25-3, 1.74 ERA in 1978 is legendary. His 3-1, 1.69 ERA in World Series play shows he could elevate his game. I’m a Red Sox fan, but I appreciate how good Ron Guidry was. I think he should be a HOFer. If he’s good enough for to have his number retired by the Yankees and a spot in Monument Park, then he’s good enough for Cooperstown."
I think Ryan touches on the key issues: Guidry's winning percentage, nine-year stretch of excellence and superior post-season record merit induction.

Here are Ryan's takes on the HOF qualifications of some of the other pitchers I've discussed. We don't agree on Blyleven and certain others, but Ryan fairly states the case for each.

Bert Blyleven:
"How long does Bert Blyleven have to wait until the Hall comes knocking on his door. He has 287 wins…287 wins. He pitched 22 seasons. Do the math and you see that if he won about .5 more wins per game in his career he would have the magical 300 wins and I wouldn’t be typing this post. The fact that he pitched on some pretty bad teams should factor into the equation. I understand he never won the Cy Young awards, but neither did a lot of pitchers…including Nolan Ryan. I’m not saying he’s on the same level as Nolan, but they do have some similarities...

"...There are thirty nine pitchers in the HOF with less wins than Bert (take a look for yourself ). Now Bert is a good broadcaster for the Twins. Given his past success and his continued involvement in baseball, I believe it’s time to let him in."
Jack Morris:
"Gone are the days of 300 wins careers. With five-man rotations, you just don’t start enough games to reach the plateau. If the voters can’t look past not reaching that mark, starting pitching will got the way of the dinosaur in terms of the Hall of Fame. There has to be more to it than just numbers. If someone is a top five pitcher for a decade with a history of big games in the postseason and unmatched durability, he’s a Hall of Famer in my book."
Jim Bunning:
"He was one of the best pitchers of his era, as judged by his numerous Top 10 finishes in the major pitching categories and the slew of All-Star Game appearances. Perhaps just as important was his role in forming the Players Association. Looking at his numbers though, and I’m left puzzled. I’m not exactly sure how Bunning got into Cooperstown. I suppose his overall impact on the game is enough to get him in, but he is Exhibit A why some of the other pitchers I’ve profiled deserve inclusion as well."
Tommy John:
"Most young fans know his name for the surgery that has he made famous, but Tommy John was a heck of a pitcher too. He won 288 games (5th most among lefties) at a .555 winning percentage and a 3.34 ERA over a career that spanned 26 years. He also had a 6-3 record with a 2.65 ERA in postseason play. Tommy was a four-time All-Star and won the Hutch Award and the Lou Gehrig Memorial Award. He was in the top 10 in ERA and wins six times, Win-Loss % 10 times (led the league in ‘74), Walks/9 innings pitched 12 times, Complete Games 4 times, and Shutouts 7 times (led the league three times). He injured the ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching arm in 1974, and after a revolutionary surgical operation he was able to pitch until he was 46. For the amount of victories, the brilliant control he exhibited over his lengthy career, as well as his lasting mark on the game with the surgery he helped coin I believe Tommy John is overdue induction into baseball’s hallowed Hall."

How Dominant Was Guidry At His Peak?

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Pretty damn dominant. There are various measures of pitching dominance, but in the final analysis it's about not surrendering runs. Guidry was the best in the business at Job One for pitchers in the years '77, '78 and '79, leading the American League in ERA twice and compiling a major league leading 161 ERA+ over those three years.


It turns out that Guidry's 161 ERA+ over a three year period is a pretty unusual achievement, so unusual that Guidry was only the third American League pitcher in the modern era (i.e., post-1920) to accomplish the feat. If you exclude the War Years (when Hal Newhouser did it) then Guidry was the first American League pitcher to turn the trick since Lefty Grove in the '30s.

We'll look at the select group of pitchers who've managed to maintain this level of dominance over a three-year span and examine the curious concentration of these achievements in two brief and distinct periods in baseball history.

Since 1920 there have been 15 pitchers to average a 160 ERA+ or better over a three year span. Only three pitchers accomplished it before WW II: Dazzy Vance, Lefty Grove and Carl Hubbell. Hal Newhouser did it from '44 to '46. Twenty years passed before Koufax and Marichal accomplished the feat from '64 to '66. Gibson did it from '68 to '70 and Seaver from '69 to '71. Guidry did it from '77 to '79. Clemens did it from '90 to '92. The explosion in offense over the last 15 years has produced a profusion of these dominant ERA+ performances, with Greg Maddux, Pedro Martinez and Randy Johnson averaging over 160 over more than a decade span, and Kevin Brown over a six-year span. Clemens did it a second time between '96 and '98. Johan Santana maintained a 160 ERA+ during the 5-year span between 2002 and 2006. Before this explosion in 160+ performances Lefty Grove had been the only pitcher in modern baseball history to maintain a 160 ERA+ for more than five years.

Of the 15 pitchers to accomplish this feat nine did it during two relatively brief and distinct periods: Koufax, Marichal, Gibson and Seaver did it during the era of pitching dominance from '64 to '71; Maddux, Brown, Martinez, Johnson and Santana have done it during the recent offensive heyday in baseball. This is not coincidental. The standard deviation in the distribution of ERAs during very low scoring and very high scoring periods tends to increase. During periods like the 1950's and 1980's, when scoring is more in line with the historical average for the 20th century, the standard deviation contracts.

Averaging a 160 ERA+ for a three year span is a tremendous achievement. Bunning and Drysdale never reached a 160 ERA+ for even a single season. Neither did Blyleven or Morris.

Again, to be clear, I am not arguing that any achievement or performance over a mere three-year period should be sufficient, in and of itself, to qualify one for the Hall of Fame. My purpose is to put into context Guidry's dominance during this period. He dominated to an extent few have, and in a way even many of the greats never did.

More "Did You Know..."

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There have been 19 pitchers who led all starting pitchers in their league in MVP balloting in consecutive seasons. Fourteen have been eligible for the Hall of Fame. Ten have been inducted into the Hall. (Five of those ten are pictured above; from left to right: Dizzy Dean, Hal Newhouser, Red Ruffing, Bob Feller and Dazzy Vance.)

The only pitchers to have been rejected so far are Bucky Walters, Mort Cooper (who did it during the War years), Denny McLain (whose personal life imploded the year after pulling off the feat 1969) and Ron Guidry. Guidry led all AL starting pitchers in MVP balloting in '77 and '78.

Roger Clemens, Pedro Martinez, Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine and Chris Carpenter each led all starting pitchers in their league in the MVP balloting but have yet to be eligible for the Hall. All but Carpenter are certain to make it (unless Roger is rail'roided). The ten Hall of Famers who've achieved this are Dazzy Vance, Burleigh Grimes, Carl Hubbell, Dizzy Dean, Red Ruffing, Bob Feller, Hal Newhouser, Warren Spahn, Sandy Koufax and Jim Palmer.

Guidry led all AL starting pitchers in MVP balloting in '78, of course. I think most people would expect that the other year would be '79, when Guidry led the league in ERA and went 18-8, but '77 was the other year. Guidry edged out 20 game winner Jim Palmer in MVP balloting among starting pitchers, largely on the strength of his great second half - 10-2 with a 2.16 ERA, including wins in seven straight starts between Aug. 21 and Sept. 25th as the Yankees prevailed in a three-way dogfight with the Red Sox and Orioles.

Guidry's five top-three MVP finishes among starting pitchers is another category in which he ranks among the best pitchers of the last 50 years. It's more top-three finishes than Drysdale, Bunning, Schilling or Morris. It's as many as Marichal and Palmer.

Could someone please tell me why Ron Guidry isn't in the Hall of Fame?

Did You Know That Ron Guidry...

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...is the only American League pitcher to win consecutive ERA titles and be rejected by the Hall of Fame? Did you know that he is the only pitcher since WW II - A.L. or N.L. - to win consecutive ERA titles and be rejected by the Hall?

Walter Johnson, Red Faber, Lefty Grove, Hal Newhouser and Ron Guidry are the only HOF-eligible American League pitchers to have won back-to-back ERA titles. All are in the Hall except Guidry. Roger Clemens and Pedro Martinez are the only other A.L. pitchers to win consecutive ERA titles, and they'll enter the Hall in their first year of eligibility (again, assuming Clemens doesn't run aground on the steroids issue).

Christy Mathewson, Pete Alexander, Ray Kremer, Carl Hubbell, Bucky Walters, Sandy Koufax, Tom Seaver, Gred Maddux and Randy Johnson are the only N.L. pitchers to win consecutive ERA titles, and all but Kremer and Walters are either in the Hall or are surefire bets to be first-ballot inductees.

This isn't to say that winning consecutive ERA titles should qualify one for automatic induction into the Hall. It's just to point out that it's rarely done, only very good pitchers do it, and those who do it almost invariably go into the Hall of Fame.

Just something for the Veterans Committee to consider.



Above Photo: Walter Johnson
Right Photo: Grover "Pete" Alexander

Guidry's Best Seasons v. The Best of Two All-Time Greats

Posted by Gator Guy on Sunday, May 17, 2009 , under | comments (0)



My last post compared Guidry and Drysdale and argued that they had very similar Hall of Fame qualifications - relatively brief careers but sustained excellence and exceptional records as big game pitchers. As I've noted, however, there are many who consider Drysdale's HOF qualifications marginal, a view apparently shared by many in the BBWAA, who waited ten years and ten ballots before inducting the Dodger great.

I'm very conscious of the fact that comparing HOF candidates to the most marginal inductees can lead to a gradual loosening of HOF standards. If a sufficient argument for induction is that a candidate is 95% as great as the most marginal Hall of Famers, then HOF standards will gradually be eroded. That's not to say that Guidry is any less deserving of the Hall than Drysdale, because in my opinion he is every bit as deserving and his induction would in no way represent a loosening of HOF standards. If there's any doubt about that, just compare Guidry to two Hall of Famers whom no one would suggest were marginal inductees.

Here's a comparison of the top seven seasons of three great pitchers, one of whom is Guidry. In the case of each pitcher these top seven seasons comprise the overwhelming bulk of their HOF qualifications. These are the respective averages of the top seven seasons for each of these three pitchers:


Pitcher 1 is Juan Marichal, who was inducted into the Hall in 1983 in his third year of eligibility. Pitcher 2 is Jim Palmer, a first-ballot inductee in 1990. The ERAs actually represent the ERA+ for each pitcher and an assumed league average ERA of 4.00.

Both Marichal and Palmer obviously made more starts and pitched more innings because they pitched in the conventional 4-man rotation that prevailed in the '60's and most of the '70s. Guidry, by contrast, pitched exclusively in a 5-man rotation throughout his career. Leaving aside that consideration, the average of their respective top seven seasons is remarkably close. I defy anyone to argue that Marichal and Palmer are solid and unquestionable Hall of Famers but Guidry is not.

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* Because one of Guidry's top seven seasons was the 1981 strike-shortened season, Guidry's seven season totals are divided by 6.67 (the Yankees' 108 games played in 1981 equalling .67 of a full season).

Guidry v. Drysdale: A Year-By-Year Comparison

Posted by Gator Guy on Saturday, May 16, 2009 , under , | comments (0)



Here's a year-by-year comparison of Guidry and Drysdale. The seasons are listed on the basis of wins, in descending order.

















I've inserted a "G" for Guidry or "D" for Drysdale in the middle column to indicate which pitcher had, in my estimation, the superior season (and, in one instance, an "E" for even).

You can quibble with my decisions - one could argue that Drysdale's '65 season was superior to Guidry's '85 season, notwithstanding Guidry's superior record and slightly better ERA+, because Drysdale had a magnificent September in the midst of a hotly contested pennant race and teamed with Koufax to lead the Dodges to a World Series championship. Similarly, one could argue that Guidry's '77 season was superior to Drysdale's '57 season, notwithstanding Drysdale's higher win total and slightly superior ERA+, because Guidry had a magnificent September and October to lead the Yankees to a World Series Championship.

But it seems difficult to quibble with the following assertion: Guidry was at least the equal of Drysdale over their respective nine best seasons. Drysdale and Guidry had virtually the same number of victories after ten complete major league seasons (Drysdale was 164-118; Guidry was 163-80, despite making substantially fewer starts). Drysdale finished with 39 more career victories only because he went 45-48 over his next (and last) four seasons, compared with Guidry's 7-11 record in two seasons following his first ten complete seasons.

Drysdale won only 209 games (more than Guidry, perhaps, but an unimposing figure for a Hall of Famer). His career winning percentage, in contrast to Guidry's, is pedestrian. Drysdale is in the Hall of Fame primarily for one reason: he proved his mettle in numerous pennant races for the Dodgers, and was generally spectacular in the '63, '65 and '66 N.L. pennant races. Koufax may have been the dominant force in the Dodgers' run of three N.L. pennants and two World Championships in four years, but Drysdale was a compelling force and a worthy sidekick to the great Koufax. If one can judge by online debates, many find Drysdale's qualifications for the Hall marginal, or worse. But I have to agree with the BBWAA on this one - Don Drysdale belongs in the Hall of Fame because his clutch pitching was instrumental in winning three pennants and two World Series for the Dodgers in the mid-'60s.

Anyone who's been reading this blog knows where I'm headed with this. Guidry, too, was spectacular in the heat of pennant races, even moreso than Drysdale, and was instrumental in three Yankee pennants and two World Series championships in a span of five years. But for some reason, Guidry's pennant race performances don't seem to have carried the same weight with HOF voters as Drysdale's.

Take another look at that year-by-year comparison of Drysdale and Guidry. Now compare their September records in pennant races. I would submit that if Don Drysdale belongs in the Hall of Fame (and he does), then so does Ron Guidry.